Who will finance our debt? Who has confidence in the fiscal responsibility of the US congress? Will our dollar collapse, and if it does, what will be the consequence of such a collapse? I don’t know the answers to these questions, but I do know one thing, and that is that I hate my government; they are corrupt, right down to the bone. The corruption is cancerous, so drastic steps must be taken; they must be replaced in their entirety. jbranstetter04 Why do Japan and China keep on buying …
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25 Responses to China won’t Finance U.S. Debt; We Hate You…you are devaluing your Dollar! Hyperinflation Collapse?
noryblo
November 28th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
…economy of usa will burst and collapse. stock market will crash, creditors will be calling in their monies etc. however, it will still somehow benefit only a limited number of corporations with forex interest and right investments overseas.
noryblo
November 28th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
that’s optimistic of you, but you’re missing the point. china is concerned because they bought the bonds for, say, 100 yen. they are expecting a return of 120 yen on maturity. with the devaluing usd, they might only get 110 yen or worse, meaning the risk of ‘out of money’ investment increases. then usa is a bad paymaster to china.
and unstable/devaluing usd has a strong ripple effect to u.s economy in general. if oil is traded in a more stable currency like euros, the fiat money printing…
noryblo
November 28th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
moreover, acceptable level is a very subjective term.
noryblo
November 28th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
it will be hard, but to say NEVER is a bold claim. 8-9% steady growth arithmetically means doubling in less than 10 years…china only opened its door in dec 1978, which is a relatively short span of time in the global economy scene. the worry for china is how to control its ballooning effect to avoid a burst like what japan had b4. they have to play it smart to avoid disasters because the responsibility to the world economy is shifting ever steadily onto their shoulders.
Eisen89
November 28th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
I really don’t see much of a problem with a devalued dollar. It makes U.S. companies more competitive abroad, which will create revenue and more jobs in the U.S. That’s why China’s not happy now; we’re cutting into their profit margins. They’ve been doing the same thing for years, so why not us? Also, we shouldn’t be worried about the debt. There are 19 pretty developed nations with more debt as a % of GDP than us and they’re fine. Australia has like 1300% debt and their economy is great.
Eisen89
November 28th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
I’m not saying that I’m disagreeing with you on anything, but it is necessary for me to point one thing out to you. China will NEVER have any acceptable level of per capita GDP, because of the size of their population. As a government, their population lets them take advantage of economies of scale under the principles of Malthusian Economics, but in return, the individuals have, on average, an extremely low income.
noryblo
November 28th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
the host makes himself sound like an angry moron. he shows personal biasness that seaps into the media-propaganda-mind-control system like a poison. no wonder they say most americans are blinded and manipulated easily. just change the broadcaster and you can change the nation. is that how you call ‘professionalism’ in a country that boasts ‘free speech’?
artiriti
November 28th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Looks like THEY p0wn you! (shfbdfi1273)
Under “Oil exporters” you find:
Oil exporters include:
Ecuador, Venezuela, Indonesia, Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar,
Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Algeria, Gabon, Libya, and Nigeria.”
The numbers are in BILLIONS of dollars!
China, Mainland 798.9
Oil Exporters 185.3 BILLIONSD of dollars
brianng999
November 28th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about. Running a country is like running a business, you have overheads. Stuff you have to pay no matter what like security, infrastructure, etc. Stop spending so much? Easier said than done. Especially when you want to maintain your position as leader in certain areas
Every time the US prints out a new batch of money, the value of the dollar drops and you are subject to inflation. You are not resilient economically. You caused the financial crisis
noryblo
November 28th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
the real thieves are in your govt. you should investigate the big honchos (for the past 20 years) sitting right up there, running the show by themselves. but you can’t, because yours is a plutocratic system, so the rich elites tell you what to do and how to behave, no questions asked.
noryblo
November 28th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
china can pull the plug on yanks anytime and call in its loans. but china won’t do it anytime soon. why? my conjecture is: it won’t do any good to china as their ‘per capita’ income is still not at a comfortable level so if shit happens, many mouths will go dry in the mainland. also, china is really not as power crazy as its debtor the yanks who always use sinister ways to control other people. the world is still in check thanks to china. remember, china has always been a defensive empire…
noryblo
November 28th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Lolz2770, thank goodness i can still find a few sane americans like yourself. i have read many comments posted by your gullible, self-denial fellow yanks, and it is really disheartening that all they are capable of is attacking the world views that are so vividly presented under their nose and start trash talking and bashing people up for they hold an opposing view and fallacy that were fed to them by your govt. we are discussing the issues, not personal biasness here, people. so, please.
noryblo
November 28th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
china’s economy is already a few times over that of yanks’ as we speak, but per capita is still far behind due to her being the home to the largest population count on earth. so i read on a dowjones journalist’s site.
however i’m not too surprised at all. look around you. the world is literally ‘made in china’.
Flammable1liquid
November 28th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
there is a big secret why china wants to keep buying, china land will come to an end, geologists know this. so they think that by buying USA will give them the right to migrate with all their people.. how funny.. and all those exports they made for the past 10 yrs should be investigated and you will see how china is a thief and how they have lied to US officials about their profits
jbranstetter04
November 28th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
If China stops financing our debt, then we either stop spending so much or we print our money making our debt shrink. Either way we just start over. We are the envy of the world, especially China, because we are so resilient economically. China has a huge population to feed and worry about, while we do not. The grass is definitely greener on our side.
brianng999
November 28th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Yes China would be screwed over…but how about the US? You guys seem to be oblivious of the fact that america is far more dependent on sino-american relations than China is.
Besides like I have said above, China doesn’t have to do something as drastic as that. They can just stop lending the US money, which will totally screw them over…
If you are implying that I am part of the general public of the US btw I am sorry to inform you that I am not american…
artiriti
November 28th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
The numbers are from us treasury department!
artiriti
November 28th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Looks like THEY p0wn you! (shfbdfi1273)
Under “Oil exporters” you find:
Oil exporters include:
Ecuador, Venezuela, Indonesia, Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Algeria, Gabon, Libya, and Nigeria.”
The numbers are in BILLIONS of dollars!
China, Mainland: 798.9
Oil Exporters: 185.3 BILLIONSD of dollars
jacopman
November 28th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
We have a real problem here…….
economically speaking both the US and China have a fianancial relationship that is akin to two vipers wrapped around each other with their heads staring eye to eye with each other in striking position……….
supra16
November 28th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
NEW WORLD ORDER
jpete3027666
November 28th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
That is an extremely shortsighted view. If China does that, the Chinese currency skyrockets and their products won’t sell in the U.S., resulting in millions of job losses in China, so China would be screwing themselves. I don’t think the general public understands debt and how it works. The media and politicians play on the public’s ignorance on this topic. We’ve been borrowing forever and the percentage of debt to our GNP isn’t much worse than we’ve had over the last 50 years.
shfbdfi1273
November 28th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
We can use Iraqi and Kuwaiti oil to pay for our debts. We own those country.
eliasmouawad
November 28th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
Search for CBO PROVES DEBT
MixMeAdrink
November 28th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Actually I think China need to continue investing in the U.S.
A major portion of their oversea investments are located in the U.S. and I don’t think China wants to dump their investments anytime soon.
brianng999
November 28th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
thats why i said “eat the bullet”? Of course it would really hurt china, but not nearly as bad as it would the US. Less dramatically, just stop lending the US money…that will screw them over big too.
The US dollar is like worth shit right now…china knows it, as does the whole world. The only reason the dollar is still “surviving” is because of china stopping its collapse….funding the US debt. Don’t be surprised if other major countries start dumping the dollar though.